Former First Lady, Michelle Obama, shared on a recent episode of her and brother Craig Robinson’s podcast, IMO, which daughter Barack Obama found to be “difficult” to raise. It’s their youngest daughter, Sasha. When speaking with Dwyane Wade and Gabrielle Union, Michelle confessed that Barack connected more easily with their oldest, Malia.

Her stages of worry and grief have been a measure of the meanness in our democracy. Her expression of optimism Tuesday evening held the promise of a cure.